tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8528856.post115560895266199747..comments2023-10-17T10:50:25.089-04:00Comments on Lumpenlogocracy: Signing statements: Have they had any effect on law enforcement?Ambivalent_Maybehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02092354702770501469noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8528856.post-1160765878846646182006-10-13T14:57:00.000-04:002006-10-13T14:57:00.000-04:00Ambivalent_Maybe:Wow! I am impressed - you are on ...Ambivalent_Maybe:<BR/><BR/>Wow! I am impressed - you are on to something!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8528856.post-1155990830153827172006-08-19T08:33:00.000-04:002006-08-19T08:33:00.000-04:00You raise a good point: it would be interesting to...You raise a good point: it would be interesting to know if the signing statements have affected concrete actions. But you set a high bar when you look for publicly known cases of specific litigation. I would worry also about the more subtle and longer-term effects. It is quite likely that some laws are being less aggressively enforced (if not perhaps flagrantly violated) in the wake of signing Christian_Lefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15019740651763670153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8528856.post-1155692355150453112006-08-15T21:39:00.000-04:002006-08-15T21:39:00.000-04:00I think the treatment of detainees (and the whole ...I think the treatment of detainees (and the whole category of 'detainee' in the first place) was justified primarily by a presidential order. The signing statement appended to the more recent McCain legislation has, as far as I know, yet to be shown to have had any real effect. That is, no one has yet been caught disregarding the statue, and defending their actions by pointing to the signing Ambivalent_Maybehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02092354702770501469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8528856.post-1155676205479961802006-08-15T17:10:00.000-04:002006-08-15T17:10:00.000-04:00I would respectfully point out there is more than ...I would respectfully point out there is more than a constitutional principle at stake. The Bush Administration is utilizing signing statements to disregard congress's will about the treatment of detainees.<BR/><BR/>One historical item that comes to mind stems from the Nixon Administration. Nixon created OSHA and congress appropriated money to fund it. Nixon then proceeded to impound those funds Robert Ellmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03526287813354418269noreply@blogger.com